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possibly jumping the gun, but i do have a tendency toward the long view/thinking things to death… anyway, what kind of plans do you make for the end of your seasonʔ iʹm afraid my ability to fully enjoy my experience would be hampered by my pre-occupation with the end… do people just go back to the states and hope for the best (job wise, housing wise, etc etc) ok, a dumb questions this might be, but if youʹre someone who thinks similarly to me you may know it all too well…. thanks again, bing <ǃ-- s:roll: -->
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very good question…you canʹt just stay at the ice until retirementǃ whatʹs everyone do between trips southʔ take time offʔ odd jobsʔ
itʹs actually one of the most important questions, one most people donʹt think of. well done.you have to figure it out for yourself… speaking only for myself, i originally thought i would just pop back into a stable, full-time job after my first contract. haǃ i laugh now. the ice totally screwed me up.these days i look 2-3 years ahead, making casual plans about what iʹd like to do, on the ice, traveling, and at home, and then see how it all shakes out. it took a long time, but i have surrendered to the insecurity of it all. somehow it will all work out.zen, ehʔ <ǃ-- s8) -->
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some of the things iʹve done after previous contracts…- immediately started training for the next contract, with only a month off. not recommended.- traded in my return-home ticket and scuba-dove my way around the world. that was epic.- took a software engineering contract for a mailing list company. borrrrinnnng.- got a job as a commercial diver. ultimately a disasterous decision, but interesting for a while.- rode ferry boats up and down the inside passage in alaska, camping and hiking. highly recommended.- worked for a year as a global climate modeling programmer.- went on a self-guided wildlife photography expedition in the falkland islands. awesome.- hung out in south america, doing a bit of trekking in patagonia, chile, and easter island. muy buenoǃ- spent 6 weeks in fiji, island hopping and diving my brains out.- backpacked around new zealand. world class.- flew kites, drank microbrew, and remodeled my house for a summer. i think i want to do that again.i have an ice friend who is currently kayaking down the missouri (spʔ) river. the whole thing. last year he finished the pct, and two years ago the at. whoa. that give you some ideasʔ i keep threatening to go back to school or start a business, but the idea hasnʹt quite achieved critical mass yet.
each person is different but personally the first thing i want to do is get home. iʹll spend a couple weeks in new zealand and then head back to the states. after i feel a bit less overwelmed i usually take a trip out to visit an old friend. after my first winter i went to mexico for a week and then visited some friends on the east coast. the next year i headed to alaska, which i recommend. than last time i took a year off and moved to california. suprisingly working here helpped me out. they want to interview you just to ask about the place. also the job i ended up with hired me because i had experience with dos. (our inventory system is a dos based program, called mapcon.)of course it all depends on whether you plan on coming back. if you want to come down just to experience the place, maybe you can get a leave of absence from your job. the place i worked for before starting here encouraged me to go and told me that i was welcomed back if i decided that ʹʹthe iceʹʹ wasnʹt for me. believe me, if you come down, a lot of people will want to live vicariously through you.
wow, glenn. so you worked on the ice and then travled with your savings and then worked on the ice againʔ maybe that sounds prying, but i am trying to make the bigger picture. well, i would like to travel. but maybe you saw in another post, i always the the insurance concerns. and feb is an akward time to be free since so many things start from the fall, like grad school… hmm antarctica is right when i should be knee deep in the application process… (well, should be doesnʹt mean want to be, but whatever.)
yeah, i used to spend about half of what i earned traveling after the ice. the trips could be big because i worked long contracts. lately iʹve been less interested in traveling, at least in the low-budget backpacker sense, and more interested in saving and building a home — but i donʹt reget the traveling for an instant.a lot of people just travel between contracts and never go home. itʹs an alluring idea…itʹs all a trade-off, of course. house or travelʔ job security or freedomʔ iʹve become used to having 3-6 months off each year, and i never want to give that up. it seems like many ice people who come down year after year eventually end up doing the same thing: they identify some beautiful place where they want to live — e.g., alaska or montana or maine — and build a house there. <ǃ-- s:idea: -->
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my wife and i almost always spend a month or so in new zealand, then make a stop somewhere else on the way home. last year we took off a year and spent a month in nz another month in the cook islands, a couple of months in california with relatives. flew to baltimore to visit parents and pick up a motorhome, then drove around the us from the end of feb to june, went to baja for a week during the 4th of july, 10 days in puerto vallarta and then back to the ice in august. previous years- austrailia fiji etc
i always spend at least 2-3 weeks in nz…just to warm up (chill out) and get used to green again, and then back to the us. i always put aside money for one in the family to come and meet me after iʹve been on the ice for 5-7 months…sort of a bribe i guess, but it really helps when my wife of many years or my son flies down and meets me for a few weeks of travel in nz.life after the ice is different…..your perspective is soooooo changedǃ yea, i admit that iʹm in love with the ice and that i have developed a second family there. my ʹʹrealʹʹ family accepts this and have adapted to my ʹʹiceʹʹ lifestyle. it takes a lot of love to make it happenǃwhen i get back to the states i have a few months to get caught up on all the ʹʹhoney doʹʹ lists…then back into the cycle of pqing and prepping for my return th mac town.
i like that idea… fly someone down to travel with you after the iceǃ the only problem is that most people are stuck working in their jobs except for 2 weeks a year and canʹt break away. yeeech.@age dave wrote:
life after the ice is different…..your perspective is soooooo changedǃ
agreed. it gives you a completely different perspective on things. the rest of the world seems so… crazy.
glenn, you said in an earlier post that life on the ice really screwed you up. in what way did it screw you upʔcheers, julie (a first time posterǃ <ǃ-- s:) -->
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it screws you up because all your life you think of work as the daily grind with 2 weeks vacation a year. now at the end of your contract working in one of the most spectacular places in the world, you get dropped off in new zealand, with a free ticket home whenever you want. you have money in your pocket and you donʹt have to be back at work for 12 to 24 weeks. iʹm not sure i could ever go back to normal life. mike
hi julie, welcome.mikeʹs right — this idea that you have to work all year and only have a little time off, itʹs wrong-headed. iʹve tried going back to a ʹʹnormalʹʹ job several times and just hated it. more than that, it makes you question all the dogma youʹve been taught about working and living. why shouldnʹt you have a job you enjoyʔ why should you feel guilty for taking six months or even a whole year offʔ why work your butt off for 50 years before retiring, only to be too old to travel and enjoy lifeʔpeople let themselves get trapped in jobs they hate because of some comforting notion of job security (which means less these days than it ever did). it was really scary😯 the first time i broke free of that, but afterwards it was liberating. now i canʹt return to those social norms of what working is suppose to be.
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